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Locked wards vs open wards: does control = safety?

Speak to older mental health service users or senior mental health professionals and many of them will tell you about their experiences of mental health inpatient wards with open-door policies. This was quite common 30 years ago but increasingly we see modern mental health units being kept permanently locked.

The reason usually given for wards being locked is that the people within them need to be kept safe; safe from harming themselves and safe from committing harm to others. Of course these are very real fears, but they are often wrongly magnified by a still sadly stigmatising media and public perception of severe mental illness.

There is certainly an uneasy tension between the Mental Health Act Code of Practice and the reality of locking up severely ill mental health patients, which is brought into sharp focus when we consider the lack of evidence for locked wards. The literature is primarily made up of expert opinion that insists safety is paramount, but fails to provide any compelling evidence that locking people up actually increases safety.

Today, The Lancet Psychiatry has published an important new 15-year naturalistic observational study, which compares locked and open wards in German hospitals, to see what impact different policies had on suicide, suicide attempts and absconding (Huber et al, 2016).

Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high
Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high.

Methods

The researchers had a big data set to work with: 349,574 admissions to 21 German psychiatric hospitals over a 15 year period (1/1/1998-31/12/2012). Four of the hospitals had open wards, 16 had locked wards, and 1 changed practice during the study.

They used propensity score matching and selected 72,869 pairs of admissions to hospitals with and without locked wards. This ingenious approach allowed for ‘causal inference’ on the effect that locked or open wards had on suicide, suicide attempts and absconding.

They used generalised linear models to analyse the data.

There were only minor differences in baseline characteristics of patients in locked versus open wards. There’s a clear table of these differences in the paper and the authors describe the main differences at the beginning of the results section. They also say that “all variables were accounted for in the propensity score-matched analyses to ensure optimum correction of the main analyses for these potential confounders”.

Outcomes

The primary outcome was completed suicide. Secondary outcomes were suicide attempt during treatment, absconding with return, and absconding without return.

Results

Locked wards saw no reduction in the rates of suicide, suicide attempts or absconding.

Compared to locked wards, open wards were associated with:

  • Decreased probability of suicide attempts (OR 0·658, 95% CI 0·504 to 0·864; p=0·003)
  • Decreased probability of absconding with return (0·629, 0·524 to 0·764; p<0·0001)
  • Decreased probability of absconding without return (0·707, 0·546 to 0·925; p=0·01)
  • But no decreased probability of completed suicide (0·823, 0·376 to 1·766; p=0·63)
Locked wards saw no reduction in the rates of suicide, suicide attempts or absconding.
Locked wards saw no reduction in the rates of suicide, suicide attempts or absconding.

Conclusions

The authors summarised the implications of their work quite simply:

Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients.

Structural and practical changes are needed to promote open-door hospital policies and should be assessed in future research.

Strengths and limitations

The main strengths of this study are the sample size, the 15 year length of the study, and the minimisation of admission bias (hospitals were legally obliged to admit patients at risk of self-harm and absconding, irrespective of their locked/open status).

It’s generally accepted that prospective study designs are more likely to result in reliable data than this kind of observational research. The authors argue in this case that the quality of routinely collected German psychiatric data has been shown to be of sufficient quality, and indeed that a number of systems were put in place to ensure that the material collected was suitable for analysis.

This is a novel and compelling study, conducted in Germany, but very relevant to any Western country that has a secure system for mentally ill inpatients.

Discussion

Suicide rates in inpatients units are disturbingly high, with up to 0·4% of psychiatric inpatients reported to die by suicide (Walsh et al, 2015). Given this, we need to do everything we can to organise our care system in such a way that these risks are minimised.

Our obsession with security and safety in an ever more dangerous world is justified if you watch the TV news channels for any prolonged period of time. The world is after all full of war, terrorism, violent crime, child abuse; or so we’re led to believe.

Trends in recent years have moved our mental healthcare system towards fear and control. Surely this position clashes with the well-documented national commitment to the least restrictive means, or are we saying one thing in the codes of practice and doing something else quite different in the real world?

I spent a very enjoyable day at City University last week, participating in the #COCAPPimpact discussions, which included some rich and very constructive conversations about therapeutic relationships. It doesn’t take much to appreciate that relationships (therapeutic or otherwise) are stronger and more equitable on open wards. The COCAPP study reminds us that these skills are fundamental to high quality mental healthcare, but we risk losing them completely if we go any further down the route of compulsion and control.

How can we prioritise therapeutic engagement once more?
How can we prioritise therapeutic engagement once more?

If you need help

If you need help and support now and you live in the UK or the Republic of Ireland, please call the Samaritans on 116 123.

If you live elsewhere, we recommend finding a local Crisis Centre on the IASP website.

We also highly recommend that you visit the Connecting with People: Staying Safe resource.

Links

Primary paper

Huber CG, Schneeberger AR, Kowalinski E, Fröhlich D, von Felten S, Walter M, Zinkler M, Beine K, Heinz A, Borgwardt S, Lang UE. (2016) Suicide risk and absconding in psychiatric hospitals with and without open door policies: a 15 year, observational study. Lancet Psychiatry 2016, Published Online July 28, 2016 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/ S2215-0366(16)30168-7

Other references

Green B, Griffiths E. (2014) Hospital admission and community treatment of mental disorders in England from 1998 to 2012. Gen Hosp Psychiatry 2014; 36: 442–48. [PubMed abstract]

Walsh G, Sara G, Ryan CJ, Large M. (2015) Meta-analysis of suicide rates among psychiatric in-patients. Acta Psychiatr Scand 2015; 131: 174−84. [PubMed abstract]

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  • Alan Simpson

    Alan Simpson

    9 years ago
    It was good to re-read this blog on this study from Germany. It should be an interesting one to discuss with mental health nursing students at City, University of London who are taking a look at this blog soon. I wonder how they felt when they first visited a ward or arrived on their first placement? Did the door being locked or unlocked have an impact on you? This is an area we have conducted lots of research on over the years at City - originally led by Professor Len Bowers, who later moved to King's. We concluded that locked doors did help reduce absconding slightly but did not prevent drugs and alcohol being available on the wards. One key thing we reported that was that a lot of patients/service users dislike anything that makes the hospital feel like a prison - so for many the door being locked added to a trapped, enclosed feeling. Interestingly, I have visited people on general hospital wards where they too often lock the doors to prevent the public just wandering in. Perhaps the combination of locked doors and the stigma attached to mental illness makes a difference? For staff, we found that anxieties about vulnerable people leaving the ward meant that open doors lead to 'anxious vigilance' on the part of staff, who find this tension provoking and uncomfortable. Anyway, we have published various papers around this topic and here is a nice summary of our key findings: https://goo.gl/Tn8uF6 And here are a few useful papers: Locked doors and exit security:https://goo.gl/fvuGme Locked doors and substance use: https://goo.gl/2tQg1J Views of staff, service users and visitors: https://goo.gl/3Rxyfm All this reminds me that when I first worked in a mental hospital in 1980 (as a child obviously), it was a major event when one of the wards had to be locked and EVERYONE in the hospital knew about it. I think staffing levels might have a been a bit different then too! Alan Simpson Professor of Collaborative Mental Health Nursing
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    • Jessica Watson
      Jessica Watson 8 years ago
      Those papers are a useful read. I'll take this to our staff led forum and patient led forum and see how our staff and patients feel about locked doors and safety. My only concern is the risk of absconding, our hospital has a busy road outside the entrance to it. I agree that locked doors do not decrease the risk of illegal substances/alcohol being bought in or reduce self harm
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    Warning: personal anecdote ahead. I was admitted on a voluntary basis (admittedly by coercion - under threat of section) to a mental hospital a year and a half ago. At the time, I went for a long walk or a run every day, which helped my mental health. The first day I was there, I asked to go out for a walk, and mentioned the sign on the door saying that if you wanted to go out, you just had to ask a member of staff to unlock the door. I was repeatedly refused and given no reason. So the next day I said to my partner that I wanted to leave, and he bailed me out, so to speak. So their locked door policy meant that when I was supposedly ill enough to be threatened with section if I didn't agree to voluntary admission, I went home instead. Not very safe.
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  • JL

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    I've often been an inpatient on a mostly locked ward and I've also visited 3 unlocked wards in Worthing as part of the 15 Steps Challenge. I was amazed to see those open doors of the acute wards as I walked up the corridor and I just had to ask why I wasn't being bowled over by escaping patients. It just doesn't happen said the staff. There was an air of calm there and I was much impressed. Wasn't even a memeber of staff sitting by the door 'They just manage it'. So completely opposite to my own normal ward where frequently have to wait outside to get back in as there's a standoff by the exit because someone wants to leave. Goodness knows how many times I've seen someone kicking that door in frustration. The hospital nursing director was keen on introducing open wards and she managed to persuade some ward managers to trial but often it amounted to about an hour and then doors locked again. Staff were fearful and used an unsettled patient as an excuse. But all the time I kept thinking if others can do it why not here as there's not difference in the type of patient. It has to be all about staff interaction and trust and distraction. MH services talk a lot about SU's taking responsibility surely this is a way of giving back some of that. Locked wards are disempowering. I am usually informal and suffering from a fear of being trapped so being on the ward creates huge anxiety.
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    brenclifford01

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Locked wards vs open wards: does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc #EBP #MentalHealth #Inpatients
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    9 years ago
    Don't miss: Locked wards vs open wards: does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc #EBP #MentalHealth #Inpatients
  • MHARG_york

    MHARG_york

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • h_iwunze

    h_iwunze

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • SCEW86

    SCEW86

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • WendyJFisher

    WendyJFisher

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • BinBlueSacked

    BinBlueSacked

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • balanceyoursole

    balanceyoursole

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients https://t.co/bk7tDH1Juz https://t.co/yu…
  • safehavencafeUK

    safehavencafeUK

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • RowanSomPar

    RowanSomPar

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • balanceyoursole

    balanceyoursole

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    9 years ago
    Open psychiatric wards were assoc w decreased probability of suicide attempts & absconding https://t.co/8I1n5dovEc
  • sinead_mehigan

    sinead_mehigan

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: New study finds that locked wards saw no reduction in rates of #suicide, suicide attempts or absconding https://t.co/8I1n5d…
  • hume_dan

    hume_dan

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: New study finds that locked wards saw no reduction in rates of #suicide, suicide attempts or absconding https://t.co/8I1n5d…
  • medicalcoverup

    medicalcoverup

    9 years ago
    @cityalan @Mental_Elf Does it ask what the service users want to feel secure?
  • matcorrear

    matcorrear

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients https://t.co/bk7tDH1Juz https://t.co/yu…
  • amydlibrarian

    amydlibrarian

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: New study finds that locked wards saw no reduction in rates of #suicide, suicide attempts or absconding https://t.co/8I1n5d…
  • SAFERstaff

    SAFERstaff

    9 years ago
    @nursewhitebeard @Mental_Elf agreed - 4going a more collaborative therapeutic approach 4 a blanket use of force. #easyoption #mentalhealth
  • nursewhitebeard

    nursewhitebeard

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: New study finds that locked wards saw no reduction in rates of #suicide, suicide attempts or absconding https://t.co/8I1n5d…
  • MHTuz

    MHTuz

    9 years ago
    Locked wards vs open wards: does control = safety? https://t.co/ocpkEH5lMI #MentalHealth #data #prevention #suicide https://t.co/P35xSiSIW5
  • nursewhitebeard

    nursewhitebeard

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf I've been working in rural Oz where no access to locked wards, we wrap support around person in their own home/community
  • nursewhitebeard

    nursewhitebeard

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf 2. And think that more restriction brings more safety... For whom?
  • CognitionPsych

    CognitionPsych

    9 years ago
    Does this study have validity? Your thoughts please #mentalhealth #suicide #psychosis #psychiatric #hospital #NHS https://t.co/icL8Kbjb9O
  • nursewhitebeard

    nursewhitebeard

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf ... Interesting story locked v unlocked I've been around since most were unlocked... We have become more risk averse =>
  • CognitionPsych

    CognitionPsych

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf I accept that it could be a explanation for suicides in closed wards, however this study doesn't go far enough the prove it.
  • nursewhitebeard

    nursewhitebeard

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • CognitionPsych

    CognitionPsych

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf don't get me started on causal inference.
  • CoyneoftheRealm

    CoyneoftheRealm

    9 years ago
    Acutely suicidal persons left in unlocked wards is stupidly irresponsible. Low quality data don't convince otherwise https://t.co/s0xTcZrzv7
  • cityalan

    cityalan

    9 years ago
    2/3 Locked doors in UK: https://t.co/Yrb1tCAT2T https://t.co/clcj6yrknM
  • cityalan

    cityalan

    9 years ago
    V interesting paper. Here is the UK research on the subject (p109 for conclusions): https://t.co/SRVOjFoSsX 1/2 https://t.co/clcj6yrknM
  • JenKeastCharles

    JenKeastCharles

    9 years ago
    A thorough overview of compelling results. RT: Locked wards vs open wards: Does control = safety? https://t.co/17OcdbANLN via @Mental_Elf
  • BurgessDawson

    BurgessDawson

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Trying to look after vulnerable people; it was more pragmatism than policy! (2/2)
  • BurgessDawson

    BurgessDawson

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Do they all have entry policies? Maybe they do now. As a lone couple of workers at night (1/2)
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @BurgessDawson @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Yes, all wards have entry policies; seems only mental health wards hold people hostage though.
  • BurgessDawson

    BurgessDawson

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Worth pointing out that on more than one occasion I have locked a ward door to stop someone entering.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Forsooth 'tis verily yay time for a breake from Ye Olde Mental Health Act ;-)
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >will @ out me if that ok ???
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >having answered the question I hope & having had the klaxon blown & being busy. I >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >is opened on request then maybe not. Anyway having been invite to comment & >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop I guess it depends on how it actually works in practice. If u get a key or the door>
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Argh! Argh! My eyes! *sounds the 'me thinks' klaxon*
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Hence I queried the initial assertion in this thread that locked doors breached MHA.
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop ur welcome. 2 often they have not read the MHA or CoP me thinks ? hope u enjoying >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >ones. So there is no specific section relating to it as such.
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >type access. Detention can be unlawful for a number of reasons, including admin >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >decision & record the reason. Of course newer building tend to have swipe card >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >locked b4 the answer I got was that each ward has to risk assess & make the >
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop remember I don't work in an inpatient setting. But when I queried the door being>
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @asifamhp @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Using "de facto detention" underplays gravity: staff commit crimes against patients.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @asifamhp @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Yes, and sectioned patients, & it's patients like me who are harmed by these crimes.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop So each ward must have a written justification & evidence for its locked door policy?
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop Thanks -too often staff either don't know or ignore human & legal rights of vol patients
  • MentalHealthCop

    MentalHealthCop

    9 years ago
    @asifamhp << What he said. @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf
  • aimeefollowsyou

    aimeefollowsyou

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf my offer to leave and thus free up a bed was refused and threatened to be held longer
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @aimeefollowsyou @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Quite the opposite in fact: my knowledge of those topics meant staff treated me as a problem.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @aimeefollowsyou @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf At least when you're sectioned your rights are formalised & you should get to see an IMHA.
  • aimeefollowsyou

    aimeefollowsyou

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf irony being I said I want to leave and was told if I didn't come back I would be sectioned formally!
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @aimeefollowsyou @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Knowing about human rights or criminal offences doesn't mean staff will unlock the door.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @aimeefollowsyou @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Staff rely on poorly people who don't know their rights; but even if you do it doesn't matter.
  • aimeefollowsyou

    aimeefollowsyou

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf problem is I was never told differently. I was there three weeks in total!
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @aimeefollowsyou @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Sorry you were illegally detained. It's a criminal offence by the staff who stopped you leaving.
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >utilise Sec 5 holding powers. Which they must have grounds for.
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop leave (in theory) or it constitutes unlawful detention. Unless the nursing staff>
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >ward had to justify & evidence it's required. Clearly an informal patient can >
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    9 years ago
    Thanks @SAFERstaff Positive and Proactive Care docs @rcn https://t.co/wizJ1NU2Dk @DHgovuk https://t.co/jnpgB4NfZO
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop >the guiding principles. The locking of the door tends to b a policy that each >
  • aimeefollowsyou

    aimeefollowsyou

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf definitely locked. I was voluntary and refused to be allowed out on leave or to go home at all
  • asifamhp

    asifamhp

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf @MentalHealthCop 2bf I don't think it actually mentions this in the MHAA. It's clearly more about >
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Here you go https://t.co/xCLQKKD7yn Which section is breached by locking wards with voluntary patients on them?
  • MarkOneinFour

    MarkOneinFour

    9 years ago
    This is really worth a look #mentalhealth https://t.co/OxavQGc5qb
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf Sorry out of country without access to MHAct materials, but others may be able to help? @MentalHealthCop @asifamhp
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Unlawful detention breaches criminal law. What section of the MHA says psych ward doors can't be locked?
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf No I am well aware that this happens, but its still in breach of MHAct & concerned that others seem unaware of this.
  • SAFERstaff

    SAFERstaff

    9 years ago
    Interesting-good 2c if @DHgovuk #Positive&ProactiveCare guidance has any impact on this blunt instrument #UseOfForce https://t.co/sIAGFDXAx3
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf And yet you seem unaware of the existence of locked inpatient psych wards with voluntary & sectioned patients.
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf Yes many & been responsible for inpatient units. Only areas that were locked were where all patients were sectioned.
  • ClinPsy

    ClinPsy

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC
  • _AGAPIR

    _AGAPIR

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: "Locked doors or therapeutic relationships?" Nicely put Tom Burns in @TheLancetPsych commentary Here's our blog: https://t.…
  • QuinnUrsula

    QuinnUrsula

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC
  • iamgray

    iamgray

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC
  • LiaisonLawson

    LiaisonLawson

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    9 years ago
    Rates of inpatient suicide in psychiatric hospitals vary remarkably and are disturbingly high https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Detention without lawful authority - illegal detention - happens every day of the week on inpatient psych wards.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Staff may be too busy to unlock the doors then; or say "If you try to leave, I'll section you"; or simply say no.
  • iahcp

    iahcp

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • Intl_Nurses

    Intl_Nurses

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf If voluntary patients on inpatient psychiatric wards want to go out, they have to ask staff to unlock the doors.
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Have you visitied many inpatient psychiatric wards? Because the doors are locked. Patients are locked inside.
  • UCLPsychiatry

    UCLPsychiatry

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • chrysalis_works

    chrysalis_works

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • ian_hamilton_

    ian_hamilton_

    9 years ago
    .@Mental_Elf thanks for blogging about this Andre, its not clear to me whether those at greater risk of suicide would be on a locked ward ?
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    @Sectioned_ @Mental_Elf Suggested this is more prevalent since MHA Commission incorporated into @CareQualityComm but not aware if is case?
  • SchrebersSister

    SchrebersSister

    9 years ago
    "Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients" Mmm. Hmm. https://t.co/k8IuTMLfF6
  • VanessaLGarrity

    VanessaLGarrity

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf Really interesting. I have worked in both-mixed views. Think outcomes are also influenced by culture and leadership of ward
  • VanessaLGarrity

    VanessaLGarrity

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    9 years ago
    Locked wards vs open wards Does control = safety? https://t.co/8I1n5d6UfC #MentalHealth #PreventableHarm https://t.co/y8rg4ROmgV
  • RowanSomPar

    RowanSomPar

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients https://t.co/bk7tDH1Juz https://t.co/yu…
  • RowanSomPar

    RowanSomPar

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: "Locked doors or therapeutic relationships?" Nicely put Tom Burns in @TheLancetPsych commentary Here's our blog: https://t.…
  • iankelleher_

    iankelleher_

    9 years ago
    @Keirwales @Mental_Elf So true. Wrong of us to admit patients when we know it will be harmful to them.But truth is it happens all the time ?
  • LizHughesDD

    LizHughesDD

    9 years ago
    @suzypuss @Mental_Elf yes it's also the culture and leadership that's important.
  • CommLinksTrain

    CommLinksTrain

    9 years ago
    Locked wards vs open wards: does control = safety? https://t.co/EzHYClommB via @sharethis Open dialogue? https://t.co/wuja4K7QZk
  • Keirwales

    Keirwales

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf I think an inpt suicide where there was a clear pattern of higher risk when an inpt will be the next scandal in MH.
  • Keirwales

    Keirwales

    9 years ago
    How often do the things we do to keep people safe(admission, ++ obs, take away blades, etc) increase their risk? https://t.co/ElTCUZMBxX
  • christianruck

    christianruck

    9 years ago
    Tysk studie jämförde låst/öppna psyk avdelningar och såg ej lägre suicidrisk vid låst. I Sverige är oftast låst dörr https://t.co/iXHFW8JbaP
  • Sectioned_

    Sectioned_

    9 years ago
    @mcpherson_ian @Mental_Elf Yet all over the UK today, psychiatric wards with voluntary patients do have locked doors.
    • 1 reply
    • Jessica Watson
      Jessica Watson 8 years ago
      They do, however voluntary patients should have passes to le them freely in and out of the building
  • LPTresearch

    LPTresearch

    9 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Locked doors in psychiatric hospitals do not seem to improve the safety of patients https://t.co/bk7tDH1Juz https://t.co/yu…
  • Alandw

    Alandw

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @Voices4ChoicesT Has DoL's legislation been complied with?
  • AlresfordBear

    AlresfordBear

    9 years ago
    @suzypuss @Mental_Elf @LizHughesDD Nah theorists just flog mindfulness to shore up service cuts ?
  • mcpherson_ian

    mcpherson_ian

    9 years ago
    Interesting German study, but in UK locking wards with voluntary patients would breach MH Act (de facto detention) https://t.co/iAmsLzXlGm
  • DrMikePsych

    DrMikePsych

    9 years ago
    Relationships, compassion & working together beat 'risk' containment every single time & a million times over https://t.co/6EoBgh9mKD
  • SeriouslyCrissy

    SeriouslyCrissy

    9 years ago
    Really interesting that locking doors is a false security for staff https://t.co/uulFm1z74X
  • iris_elliott

    iris_elliott

    9 years ago
    Locked #mh wards don't increase safety: completed&attempted #suicide, absconding @NSUNnews @VOXSCOTLAND @SRN_Tweet https://t.co/QLHSrbM891
  • Con_90

    Con_90

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf How many of the 'open wards' had member of staff on door-watch? Maybe these are more secure/restrictive than just locked door?
  • suzypuss

    suzypuss

    9 years ago
    @LizHughesDD @Mental_Elf I had unhappy experiences in an old hospital- leadership remains crucial and my early days in a DGH were great.
  • LizHughesDD

    LizHughesDD

    9 years ago
    @suzypuss @Mental_Elf was old building, but loads of space, beautiful grounds, I trained on site lived, and then worked there #continuity
  • suzypuss

    suzypuss

    9 years ago
    @LizHughesDD @Mental_Elf worked on wards where ran therapeutic groups. Ward meetings. A different world from now.
  • willshome

    willshome

    9 years ago
    @PsychiatrySHO @MentalHealthCop @Mental_Elf Isn't/wasn't that the rationale of old style asylums in extensive, beautiful, restful parkland?
  • LizHughesDD

    LizHughesDD

    9 years ago
    @suzypuss @Mental_Elf I loved it, gr8 relationships, ppl came in planned adm for time out from community 'respite'. Less than 1/3 on MHA
  • suzypuss

    suzypuss

    9 years ago
    @LizHughesDD @Mental_Elf but it was a far more therapeutic environment- for everyone.
  • LizHughesDD

    LizHughesDD

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf time that I had when I was an acute nurse. I sound old when I hark back to 'halcyon' days of ward activities, groups, 1:1 time.
  • LizHughesDD

    LizHughesDD

    9 years ago
    Having worked on an open ward with several unlocked access points, you had to work with ppl together for safety https://t.co/9BoT6EUX3y
  • MichaelCHilton

    MichaelCHilton

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @PsychiatrySHO Preventing suicide takes priority as it saves lives @SiblingSOSL @ProfLAppleby
  • MichaelCHilton

    MichaelCHilton

    9 years ago
    @PsychiatrySHO @Mental_Elf But the research was mainly about suicide rates not absconding
  • PsychiatrySHO

    PsychiatrySHO

    9 years ago
    @MentalHealthCop @Mental_Elf well according to the study, less would AWOL
  • MentalHealthCop

    MentalHealthCop

    9 years ago
    @PsychiatrySHO @Mental_Elf MH staff faced with various MHA patients leaving and they're not going to ring them all in as AWOL?! OK.
  • PsychiatrySHO

    PsychiatrySHO

    9 years ago
    @MentalHealthCop well according to @Mental_Elf today, it might paradoxically free your schedule up a bit
  • o4trVbKSWwcbCQS

    o4trVbKSWwcbCQS

    9 years ago
    Interesting area to explore reduction in restrictions in mental health -Reduce fear of others. https://t.co/wX5pSK2Zgm
  • MentalHealthCop

    MentalHealthCop

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @JohnBaker_Leeds Is that because of some wards, the patients know where the release catch is and use it freely? #truestory
  • anita_moyes

    anita_moyes

    9 years ago
    Very interesting - organisational risk management v's least restrictive practice https://t.co/pkh6reJNzn
  • taylamccloud

    taylamccloud

    9 years ago
    Open door associated with lower rates of suicide attempts and absconding. And better for therapeutic relationship! https://t.co/yFOC2PGQzk
  • meganchapman

    meganchapman

    9 years ago
    @Mental_Elf Unpack your comment re therapeutic relationships. Is this actually the difference, & locked/open ward being its expression?
  • PsychiatrySHO

    PsychiatrySHO

    9 years ago
    ...which may lead some patients not to run off. But there are many who will run whatever. Perhaps they're outweighed. @Mental_Elf (2/2)
  • PsychiatrySHO

    PsychiatrySHO

    9 years ago
    Very useful, but only partially plausible result, for me. Yes, open wards create a more trusting atmosphere...(1/2) https://t.co/yTqSLzOy81
  • weemac63

    weemac63

    9 years ago
    Very interesting @jonnybaldy @DavidTheMains https://t.co/cmxj0ZftNn