The Mental Elf

Placebo versus medication for psychosis

Regular readers of the Mental Elf may remember my previous blog which looked at a series of papers examining the placebo effect in relation to depression and the use of antidepressant medication. You can find it here along with a placebo primer by Ben Goldacre here.

To recap, the placebo effect refers to the effect of a simulated or otherwise ineffectual treatment. It has been known about for more than 200 years. Placebos are often used as control treatments in trials of medicine, the rationale being that the medicine should outperform the placebo (commonly a sugar pill) in order for it to be regarded as efficacious.

In the paper I’ve been asked to review for the Mental Elf (Rutherford et al, 2014) the authors chose to examine the placebo response in antipsychotic clinical trials. Rutherford and colleagues note at the beginning of the paper that placebo response rates in trials of antipsychotic medications are increasing. The authors sought to determine the causes of this increase in placebo response rate. They argued that this phenomenon increases the cost of drug development, delays the availability of new antipsychotic medications and means that pharmaceutical companies spend less money on psychiatric research.

Rutherford et al. sought to investigate the causes of placebo response in a selection of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) of antipsychotic medication.

The authors report that placebo response rates in trials of antipsychotic medications are increasing.
The authors report that placebo response rates in trials of antipsychotic medications are increasing.

Methods

The authors used a complicated statistical technique called hierarchical linear modeling. This formed the basis of a meta-analysis.

They did not examine all possible predictors of treatment change and instead selected possible variables based on a pre-existing model of the causes of placebo response. This seems like an appropriate strategy.

The model that Rutherford et al used divides causes for placebo response into three categories:

  1. Placebo effects based on patient expectancy of improvement and therapeutic contact
  2. Measurement error due to rater bias and sampling error
  3. Spontaneous improvement

Databases were searched using what seem to be appropriate inclusion and exclusion criteria although these appear to be limited to published studies written in English. Trials were required to last between 4 and 24 weeks but no rationale for these thresholds was given.

A standardized mean change score was calculated because different studies used different measures of pre-post change.

Researchers conducting meta-analyses need to be re
Researchers conducting meta-analyses need to be rigorous and thorough in order to find all of the published and unpublished trials.

Results

Following application of their inclusion and exclusion criteria, the authors were left with 105 studies analyzing 257 different treatment groups.

The mean change in patients receiving placebo increased significantly over time (Spearman r = 0.52, n = 39, p = 0.01). There was a greater placebo effect in more recent studies.

The mean change in patients receiving “effective dose medication” decreased significantly over the same time period (Spearman r = -0.26, n = 208, p <0.001).

Discussion

  • The placebo response has been significantly increasing from 1960 to the present.
  • In 1960 the average placebo treated patient worsened by 3 Brief Psychiatric Rating Scale (BPRS) points. In the 2000s the average placebo treated patient improved by 3.2 BPRS points.
  • The treatment change associated with “effective dose” medication decreased significantly over the same time period.
  • The benefit of effective dose medication over placebo was greater for more severely ill patients.
  • The mean change for placebo treated patients was associated with sample size.
  • The authors suggest that the placebo response for antipsychotic medication shares similarities with placebo responses for other mental health difficulties, notably depression. They explain that trials have generally evolved over time. Older trials tend to be smaller, academic, single-site trials while newer ones are large, commercial and multi-centre. The authors suggest that there are pros and cons to these developments.

Limitations

The authors mention that one limitation concerns publication bias. The discussion of this limitation in the paper lasts one sentence but, in my view, this is a very significant limitation. Studies funded by pharmaceutical companies that fail to demonstrate a difference between placebo and antipsychotic medication are unlikely to be published. There is a risk that this meta-analysis does not then tell the whole story because it only includes a proportion of all the trials conducted in this field.

I’m reminded of my previous Mental Elf blog on the placebo response in antidepressant medication. Here, the reviewers asked for data on 33 unpublished studies from pharmaceutical companies and were denied access to data on 30 occasions (Naudet et al, 2013). Naudet al. suggested that no firm conclusions could be drawn from their results as “antidepressant research is completely controlled by the pharmaceutical industry”.

It is difficult to have much confidence in the results of the Rutherford et al study in the absence of such data for antipsychotic medication.

Accurate meta-analyses require the data from all trials
Accurate meta-analyses need the data from all trials.

Links

Rutherford, B.R., Pott, E., Tandler, J.M., Wall, M.M., Roose, S.P. & Lieberman, J.A. (2014). Placebo response in antipsychotic clinical trials: A meta-analysis. JAMA Psychiatry, 71(12), 1409-21

Judge J. Placebo for depression: are some sugar pills better than others? The Mental Elf, 4 Sep 2014.

Naudet F, Millet B, Charlier P, Reymann JM, Maria AS, Falissard B. (2013). Which placebo to cure depression? A thought-provoking network meta-analysis. BMC Medicine, doi: 10.1186/1741-7015-11-230.

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  • PsychwSusskind

    PsychwSusskind

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • TruehopeEmpower

    TruehopeEmpower

    11 years ago
    RT @121Therapy: The academics have been discussing antipsychotic drug benefits; what do patients think? http://t.co/3G7Pk9PT8c
  • This Week in Parapsychology |

    This Week in Parapsychology |

    11 years ago
    […] Placebo Symposium. Dick Bierman and I have just met with the rest of the organising committee for the bi-annual Bial Foundation Symposium. Bial Foundation symposia bring together parapsychologists and mainstream researchers in neuroscience and psychophysiology. The theme for the next meeting (30 March – 2nd April 2016) is placebo (broadly-conceived). We are inviting some awesome speakers! Big Kudos to Bial Chairman, Dr Luis Portela, for supporting the committee’s choice of topic, considering Bial is a pharmaceutical company.  And while on the subject of placebo, an interesting recent study by Rutherford et al. (2014) shows that placebo response in antipsychotic medication trials has been increasing over time. The Mental Elf explains more, here. […]
  • JonnyROK3

    JonnyROK3

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • Research_wlmht

    Research_wlmht

    11 years ago
    Can we make decisions about placebo response without unpublished study data? http://t.co/mXr4tPWDag
  • find_therapy

    find_therapy

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/dHCjk4DIMG via @sharethis
  • DebJudge1

    DebJudge1

    11 years ago
    @And_Cipriani @Mental_Elf @OxPsychiatry Surely social impact & improving social function rather than a linear medical model of MH research!
  • And_Cipriani

    And_Cipriani

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @OxPsychiatry Innovation is needed, but RCTs vs PBO are not the answer. Better focus on comparative efficacy & big data analysis
  • wholescience

    wholescience

    11 years ago
    RT @MarilynSchlitz: The effect size of the placebo has increased over the last 60 years: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #health #mental #research
  • KRTraumaSupport

    KRTraumaSupport

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/84vSKx95FW
  • sachipsychology

    sachipsychology

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% i…
  • Tosaka4398

    Tosaka4398

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • ethosolve

    ethosolve

    11 years ago
    RT @MarilynSchlitz: The effect size of the placebo has increased over the last 60 years: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #health #mental #research
  • MarnieWedlake

    MarnieWedlake

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf Psychotherapy - an excellent option for those who experience psychosis.
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: "Let's just give people healing crystals for everything" says @SameiHuda Join our placebo for psychosis discussion http://t…
  • MarnieWedlake

    MarnieWedlake

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf A psychoactive agent is just that.
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    @MarnieWedlake @Mental_Elf true - the placebo effect for Antipsychotics is small & much smaller than for psychotherapy for psychosis
  • MarnieWedlake

    MarnieWedlake

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @Keith_Laws There is no debate.
  • IronHayse

    IronHayse

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @Keith_Laws pharms don't share data, makes me angry after reading @MayorofLondon bigging them up in the @Telegraph yesterday
  • AliyahReh

    AliyahReh

    11 years ago
    Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy : Placebo versus medication for #psychosis http://t.co/KRGNf7bjWj #schizophrenia #mentalhealth
  • SimonSRN

    SimonSRN

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: "Let's just give people healing crystals for everything" says @SameiHuda Join our placebo for psychosis discussion http://t…
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    Nobody, preference is to myth-make! RT @Mental_Elf Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks
  • Cleverestcookie

    Cleverestcookie

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: "Let's just give people healing crystals for everything" says @SameiHuda Join our placebo for psychosis discussion http://t…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    "Let's just give people healing crystals for everything" says @SameiHuda Join our placebo for psychosis discussion http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • in2mh

    in2mh

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • Samei Huda

    Samei Huda

    11 years ago
    So coz of a suspicion of provider interest skewing the results But with no/little evidence we junk all the data showing benefit? Following that logic we junk most psychotherapy research as it's often done by people with interest in proving that type of psychotherapy works And so in the end lets just give people healing crystals For everything
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • MHealthResearch

    MHealthResearch

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • joe_chilcot

    joe_chilcot

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • SiRusson

    SiRusson

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • Tim

    Tim

    11 years ago
    I am getting the impression that a lot may depend on what is being measured ie symptom alleviation v psychological effect of symptoms.
  • 121Therapy

    121Therapy

    11 years ago
    The academics have been discussing antipsychotic drug benefits; what do patients think? http://t.co/3G7Pk9PT8c
  • 121Therapy

    121Therapy

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis: http://t.co/3G7Pk9PT8c
  • NIHRSPCR

    NIHRSPCR

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • PaulWhiteleyPhD

    PaulWhiteleyPhD

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @Keith_Laws Any relevance? Naltrexone may block euphoria-like placebo effect http://t.co/qVFjX5YNL9
  • lypftlib

    lypftlib

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    Who's up for a debate about placebo vs medication for psychosis? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @Keith_Laws is in, are you?
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    .@OxPsychiatry @And_Cipriani Given yr placebo for depression work, any thoughts on placebo for psychosis blog? http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis @Mental_Elf http://t.co/ZxQ1vTIK45 Comments about placebo that are 99% science-free
  • dnunan79

    dnunan79

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • dnunan79

    dnunan79

    11 years ago
    @JeremyHowick “@Mental_Elf @JAMAPsych MA reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/VFiNWeXK4p”
  • Iain_caldwell

    Iain_caldwell

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis: a review http://t.co/Hjh9pUxmZf
  • NickyHay4Blog

    NickyHay4Blog

    11 years ago
    RT @Iain_caldwell: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/Hjh9pUxmZf
  • brainduck

    brainduck

    11 years ago
    RT @Davidiris1: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/6niStVnkLA <- Interesting - regression to mean?
  • tiredlegs

    tiredlegs

    11 years ago
    RT @Davidiris1: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/3rHgfHIqYs <- Interesting - regression to mean?
  • UtahCS

    UtahCS

    11 years ago
    RT @NorCalCS: Interesting... MT @MarilynSchlitz: Impact of #antipsychotic meds has decreased as placebos have increased: http://t.co/fqESz…
  • NorCalCS

    NorCalCS

    11 years ago
    Interesting... MT @MarilynSchlitz: Impact of #antipsychotic meds has decreased as placebos have increased: http://t.co/fqESzgLpoW
  • FageMD

    FageMD

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/HERklq7GxS via @sharethis
  • Iain_caldwell

    Iain_caldwell

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/Hjh9pUxmZf
  • NorthernBlowwk

    NorthernBlowwk

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • mairhealth

    mairhealth

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    .@JoeJudgePsy Strong comment from @Keith_Laws on your blog http://t.co/Jf7nSF61yR Anything to add?
  • GBCounsellor

    GBCounsellor

    11 years ago
    RT @gordonmilson: Good stuff by @JoeJudgePsy “@Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/6B2vbI5Qld”
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: A nocebo effect on the placebo effect in comments RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo vs. medication for psychosis http://t…
  • DrJpol1966

    DrJpol1966

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • medicojunghiano

    medicojunghiano

    11 years ago
    RT @MarilynSchlitz: Impact of antipsychotic meds has decreased at same time as placebos have increased: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #mental #hea…
  • tuabogado24h

    tuabogado24h

    11 years ago
    RT @psicoviedo: El #placebo frente a la #medicación para la #psicosis http://t.co/05RgogFkdw vía @Mental_Elf #Psicología
  • Davidiris1

    Davidiris1

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/4tDvFQc6OK via @sharethis
  • psicoviedo

    psicoviedo

    11 years ago
    El #placebo frente a la #medicación para la #psicosis http://t.co/05RgogFkdw vía @Mental_Elf #Psicología
  • DenniseFriday

    DenniseFriday

    11 years ago
    RT @gordonmilson: Good stuff by @JoeJudgePsy “@Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/6B2vbI5Qld”
  • Ermintrude2

    Ermintrude2

    11 years ago
    RT @gordonmilson: Good stuff by @JoeJudgePsy “@Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/6B2vbI5Qld”
  • gordonmilson

    gordonmilson

    11 years ago
    Good stuff by @JoeJudgePsy “@Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/6B2vbI5Qld”
  • PDinodiya

    PDinodiya

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Don't miss: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • HilaryMarmot

    HilaryMarmot

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @DrJlieberman @JoeJudgePsy Pts who get in research project can get better nutrition and care than if they are homeless/ no care.
  • HilaryMarmot

    HilaryMarmot

    11 years ago
    @Mental_Elf @DrJlieberman @JoeJudgePsy Many US studies have huge placebo response cos MH pts often destitute in US. 1/2
  • Nicola Davies

    Nicola Davies

    11 years ago
    Nicola Davies liked this on Facebook.
  • Admin1 viska.se

    Admin1 viska.se

    11 years ago
    I would like to see a discussion of this increasing placeboeffect for antipsychotics translated to the every day use of antipsyhotics for consumers. Does it mean that if you have milder psychotic symptoms despite antipsychotic in regular dose you cant expect any other effect than placebo if you try to change the medication or dose. This would mean that other non medication treatments have to be added to get rid of these symptoms that are present today. Also how may todays polyfarmacy with antidepressants, antianxietymedication and sleeping pills affect these results. I guess they were not present 1960.
  • ichange_coach

    ichange_coach

    11 years ago
    RT @MarilynSchlitz: The effect size of the placebo has increased over the last 60 years: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #health #mental #research
  • IAConsciousness

    IAConsciousness

    11 years ago
    RT @MarilynSchlitz: The effect size of the placebo has increased over the last 60 years: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #health #mental #research
  • MarilynSchlitz

    MarilynSchlitz

    11 years ago
    The effect size of the placebo has increased over the last 60 years: http://t.co/ZZmfqK725l #health #mental #research
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    Pls comment @DrJlieberman on our blog about your #placebo response in antipsychotic trials paper http://t.co/lMz4isswgD @JoeJudgePsy
  • aghoury79

    aghoury79

    11 years ago
    Mental Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/hJ0e1fbEbN
  • Firefly_fan

    Firefly_fan

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • Firefly_fan

    Firefly_fan

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • rootsvoices

    rootsvoices

    11 years ago
    RT @AnneCooke14: How much of the effect of antipsychotics could be placebo? Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS http…
  • carmelprzrz

    carmelprzrz

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf managing the side effects and very new drugs seem to have less side effects
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf so the clinical balance with antipsychotics is mostly benefits v side effects. We r getting better @ 1
  • CoyneoftheRealm

    CoyneoftheRealm

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • lawhern1

    lawhern1

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • NachoRicci

    NachoRicci

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • Keith Laws

    Keith Laws

    11 years ago
    I think we all have to pay attention to possible publication bias in all areas of research (whether pharma or nonpharma). However, I worry when 'publication bias' operates in a clichéd manner (principally against pharma). Two things strike me about this study & this account of the study. First, the placebo effects is small here - maybe around 25% placebo vs. 75% antipsychotic medication effect. This is quite different from the situation documented with anti-depressants (or even CBT for depression!) Second, ending on 'publication bias' is itself a form of 'bias' - this 'take-home' leaves readers with a big doubt about the paper...and I cant see any specific basis/evidence for this position being proposed or its being given prominence. As Joe rightly states, the authors have a sentence about publication bias - of course... they are obliged to say something (it’s a long time since I saw a meta-analysis that did not mention publication bias) - however they have no data and nothing specific to add apart from the self-evident cliché that RCTs failing to show a placebo-drug difference may not have been published - no evidence or argument is rallied for this position Despite this statement, we know that effect sizes for antipsychotics are much larger than for antidepressants and hence, antipsychotics are less likely to be prone to publication bias. And further, if we look at some data on this question, publication bias for antipsychotics is probably quite small (especially compared to depression) see http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1001189 So, perhaps we need to readdress the bias regarding publication bias
  • MentalHealthLaw

    MentalHealthLaw

    11 years ago
    Fascinating: some cultural explanation for this significant change in placebo/medication response rates since 1960? http://t.co/ty30OJnJ5E
  • FelicityTHF

    FelicityTHF

    11 years ago
    Interesting @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf blog: antipsychotics getting worse at beating placebos, despit publication bias! http://t.co/AfgQMD2p1c
  • lypftlib

    lypftlib

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • hotsuma

    hotsuma

    11 years ago
    RT @AllenFrancesMD: Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJud…
  • AllenFrancesMD

    AllenFrancesMD

    11 years ago
    Placebo response small in sick pts; big in healthier pts in recent studies http://t.co/qFqr6wxzi1 @Mental_Elf @JoeJudgePsy
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf one can be v suspicious of all results of treatment research leads to thinking nothing works, not true
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf clinically benefits of antipsychotics more apparent than for antideps it's the side effects bigger prob
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    @SameiHuda @JoeJudgePsy @Mental_Elf Effect size for Antipsychotics is much larger than anti-depressants & hence more likely to be published
  • kbarenskie02

    kbarenskie02

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    Hi @bengoldacre Interested in your thoughts on @JoeJudgePsy's blog about #placebo response in antipsychotic trials http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • ryankaplanpsych

    ryankaplanpsych

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • garry56grant

    garry56grant

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • Psychonomic_Soc

    Psychonomic_Soc

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • LSSTORSM

    LSSTORSM

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4i…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    Recent @JAMAPsych meta-analysis reports a significant increase in placebo response over the last 50 years http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @JoeJudgePsy @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf & given many meta analysis have shown APs signif benefit over placebo I think eeyore tone @ end strange
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @JoeJudgePsy @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf after all it's possible to calculate the no of missing studies u need to change an effect size to 0
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @JoeJudgePsy @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf if lot of missing data say it lessens the confidence but given research backs clinical obs likely true
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @JoeJudgePsy @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf meds used in gen medicine equally likely to have pharma sponsored trials.Should we just abandon meds? 3
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @JoeJudgePsy @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf benefit in psychosis then the research is only confirming this clinical observation.ES is sim to many 2
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf medicines used in general medicine equally likely to have pharma sponsored trials. Should we just abandon meds? 3
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    @Keith_Laws @Mental_Elf @JoeJudgePsy how many studies of antipsychotics couldn't they get access to? Given APs clinically have a big 1
  • SameiHuda

    SameiHuda

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% i…
  • iopsychology

    iopsychology

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% i…
  • LSSTORSM

    LSSTORSM

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% i…
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    RT @Keith_Laws: Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% i…
  • Keith_Laws

    Keith_Laws

    11 years ago
    Placebo Vs Medication for psychosis http://t.co/iVWiNOPQks @Mental_Elf Looks like 25% of symptom response is placebo, 75% is drug
  • Christina Armstrong-Graham

    Christina Armstrong-Graham

    11 years ago
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  • ThomasRabeyron

    ThomasRabeyron

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Today @JoeJudgePsy reviews a recent meta-analysis of placebos in antipsychotic trials http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • BlueBerry2464

    BlueBerry2464

    11 years ago
    RT @AnneCooke14: How much of the effect of antipsychotics could be placebo? Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS http…
  • JanieBanie

    JanieBanie

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • jorgenflor

    jorgenflor

    11 years ago
    RT @AnneCooke14: How much of the effect of antipsychotics could be placebo? Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS http…
  • ivaalsg

    ivaalsg

    11 years ago
    RT @AnneCooke14: How much of the effect of antipsychotics could be placebo? Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS http…
  • AnneCooke14

    AnneCooke14

    11 years ago
    How much of the effect of antipsychotics could be placebo? Interesting piece by @JoeJudgePsy http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS http://t.co/eWAPTKhdAn
  • AnneCooke14

    AnneCooke14

    11 years ago
    @MentalChristian Yes sorry, I see now I forgot to put it in. http://t.co/XFJy3SHGmS
  • dr_ashutosh82

    dr_ashutosh82

    11 years ago
    "@Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/gGVgTGhBh3"
  • SarahMMcKay

    SarahMMcKay

    11 years ago
    "Placebo versus medication for psychosis" http://t.co/0iWLGAZaEx
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    HHLibService

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/pf6s63bOke
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    UWSMichaelF

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    asenaakdemir

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/dsonSCvsm1 via @sharethis
  • SNMSWResearch

    SNMSWResearch

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • AWP_RD

    AWP_RD

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    11 years ago
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    LibraryBHFT

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • 121Therapy

    121Therapy

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Today @JoeJudgePsy reviews a recent meta-analysis of placebos in antipsychotic trials http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • Mental_Elf

    Mental_Elf

    11 years ago
    Today @JoeJudgePsy reviews a recent meta-analysis of placebos in antipsychotic trials http://t.co/lMz4isswgD
  • BABCP

    BABCP

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • DrGTalkingCures

    DrGTalkingCures

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/MnfDbgLr7B Another interesting post!
  • 121Therapy

    121Therapy

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • matteo__cella

    matteo__cella

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • whittington_cj

    whittington_cj

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    The Mental Elf

    11 years ago
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    DrArvindBhave

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    JohnBaker_Leeds

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • AnneMcDWhite

    AnneMcDWhite

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    soniajohnson

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
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    kiran_sj

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • MentalhealthMSc

    MentalhealthMSc

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • HookwaySonja

    HookwaySonja

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b
  • aghoury79

    aghoury79

    11 years ago
    Placebo versus medication for psychosis: Joe Judge reviews a recent meta-analysis of placebos in antipsychotic... http://t.co/2YF4OKBjjU
  • Mothermindful

    Mothermindful

    11 years ago
    RT @Mental_Elf: Placebo versus medication for psychosis http://t.co/lMz4isK78b